Beyond Unprecedented: The Post-Pandemic Economy—Season 3

From Columbia Law School and the Millstein Center, the popular podcast returns. Co-hosts Professors Eric Talley and Talia Gillis are joined by experts to explore complex economic phenomena impacting workers, investors, companies, and communities.

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Reintroducing Beyond Unprecedented

The co-hosts kick off season three of Beyond Unprecedented with the Financial TimesSujeet Indap to preview the season and map out key developments affecting workers, investors, companies, and communities. Download a transcript.

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Episode 1: Crypto in Crisis

With a growing crisis in the crypto financial system, Bloomberg Opinion columnist Matt Levine discusses key challenges and opportunities facing the crypto industry, the relevant regulatory framework, and what lies ahead for the space. Download a transcript.

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Episode 2: ESG: Losing Its Cool

The corporate environmental, social, and governance (ESG) movement has come under fire. After many large corporations began to adopt specific ESG measures in response to shareholder pressure, other shareholder groups are trying to undo them. Inclusive Capital Partners co-founders Lynn Forester de Rothschild ’79 and Jeff Ubben discuss the rise in “anti-woke” shareholder activism, the politicization of ESG, and what lies ahead. Download a transcript.

Professor Eric Talley

Eric Talley, co-host

Eric Talley, Isidor and Seville Sulzbacher Professor of Law, writes and researches at the intersection of corporate law, governance, and finance. As a co-director of the Ira M. Millstein Center for Global Markets and Corporate Ownership, Talley shapes research and programs focused on the future of corporate governance and performance. He is a frequent commentator in the national media, and he speaks regularly to corporate boards and regulators on issues pertaining to fiduciary duties, governance, and finance. He is a graduate of the University of California, San Diego, and he earned a J.D. and a Ph.D. in economics from Stanford University. Talley hosted the first two seasons of Beyond Unprecedented.

Professor Talia Gillis

Talia Gillis, co-host

Talia Gillis, associate professor of law and Milton Handler Fellow at Columbia Law, studies the law and economics of consumer markets. She is interested in household financial behavior and how consumer welfare is shaped by technological and legal changes. In her research, she has studied the impact of regulatory tools such as financial disclosures and fiduciary duties on consumer welfare. She also uses insights from psychology to empirically study the way households manage their financial ebbs and flows. Some of her recent work considers how artificial intelligence—and consumer fintech more broadly—is affecting consumers and raises distributional concerns. Gillis has a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard University and an S.J.D. from Harvard Law School. She clerked for Deputy Chief Justice Hanan Melcer of the Supreme Court of Israel.

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Sujeet Indap joined Gillis and Talley for the season three premiere of Beyond Unprecedented. He is the Wall Street editor for the Financial Times. He was previously the U.S. editor of the Lex column and covers the intersection of corporate law and finance. Prior to joining the FT in 2013, Sujeet was an investment banker. He co-authored The Caesars Palace Coup, which came out in 2021 and chronicles the private equity and hedge fund fight over the Caesars gaming empire.

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Matt Levine is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist covering finance and the guest on “Crypto in Crisis.” Prior to joining Bloomberg, he was an editor of Dealbreaker, an investment banker at Goldman Sachs, a mergers and acquisitions lawyer at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz, and a clerk for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit.

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Lynn Forester de Rothschild ’79 is a founding and managing partner of Inclusive Capital Partners, the founder of the Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism and the Council for Inclusive Capitalism, and a director of The Estée Lauder Companies and Nikola Corporation. She serves on the board of the Peterson Institute for International Economics and the advisory boards of Focusing Capital on the Long Term (FCLTGlobal), McCain Institute for International Leadership, and the Eranda Rothschild Foundation. Forester de Rothschild earned an undergraduate degree from Pomona College, in Claremont, California, and a J.D. from Columbia Law School, where she was a Harlan Fiske Stone Scholar. She and Inclusive Capital Partners co-founder Jeff Ubben joined Talley and Gillis for “ESG: Losing Its Cool.”

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Jeff Ubben is a founder and the portfolio manager of Inclusive Capital Partners. Previously, he was a founder and the portfolio manager of ValueAct Capital. Ubben is a director of Enviva, Exxon Mobil Corporation, and Vistry Group. He also serves on the boards of Duke University, the World Wildlife Fund, The Redford Center, and the E.O. Wilson Biodiversity Foundation. Ubben earned a B.A. from Duke University and an MBA from Northwestern’s Kellogg School of Management. He and Inclusive Capital Partners co-founder Lynn Forester de Rothschild ’79 joined Talley and Gillis for “ESG: Losing Its Cool.”

About the Series
Beyond Unprecedented is brought to you by Columbia Law School and the Ira M. Millstein Center for Global Markets and Corporate Ownership and is produced by the Office of Communications, Marketing, and Public Affairs at Columbia Law School. Hear the first season and second season wherever you listen to podcasts.